Comments on: Are You Really A Victim? https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/ Thoughts on Politics and Life Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:22:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.32 By: Atlas https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-485 Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:22:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-485 I agree with you completely, people need to take control of their destiny, instead of bringing up 200 years of this or that to justify why the are not successful now.

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By: Ken Grandlund https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-484 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:27:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-484 (responses)

Alice- So you seem to agree and disagree at the same time. Welcome to my world. I admit that in an historic sense, there have been many peoples wronged and victimized, and as a result, these groups may indeed have a social detriment working against them. But if one does not allow themselves to buy into that mindset, which surely is less and less frequent in todays world, then one can rise above and find a better, more happier life ahead of them.
And yes, there is a difference between being a victim and being a victim of choice.

As you might say…”Curiouser and curiouser.”

CoolAqua- Thanks for reading the
w h o l e thing, even if it seemed long.
I don’t feel that spending five minutes to read some thought provoking ideas to be too much to ask, despite the tendencies of our mass media to treat us all as if we were 5 year olds, incapable of comprehending more than three or four sentences at a time.

Not everything worthwhile can be had in the blink of an eye. Common Sense is one of those things that just takes a teeny, tiny bit more attention and time, but is well worth the effort, I think.

Hope to see you again.

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By: Anonymous https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-483 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:04:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-483 Ken
You have some great posts but they are very long. Have you considered using multiple posts to break down your positions into more easily assimilated chunks?

CoolAqua

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By: Alice: In Wonderland or Not https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-482 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:03:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-482 But I don’t really ignore the historic plight of minorities in this.
I don’t think you ignore it but you obviously do no see the magnitude of it. Although I do see us as a society of victims, victims of all kinds by choice and that is unnecessary when there are real victims out there.

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By: Ken Grandlund https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-481 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:37:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-481 (responses)

JollyRoger- Good point. When our national leaders embrace this kind of thinking, it’s harder to show where the peril lies. But even though people can see through the excuses of others, they are still making them for themselves.
This is what needs to stop. Thanks for coming by again.

GTL- And a big high five right back to you! Good to hear from you again.

Chandira- Nice to have people reading what I write. Yes, this seems to be a rather obvious idea, but as I mentioned to JollyRoger, even when we see this in others, it’s often harder to turn the mirrow towards ourselves.
Yes, shit does happen. Does it make us unable to go on? That is the real question, and often it’s answered wrongly. Ciao!

OTTMAN- See, we can agree on some things! Thanks for continuing to drop in and leave some thoughts.

ShaeNC- Your examples are among those who can truly be called unfortunate victims. Their lives were physically (even the mental trouble of the girl were mainfestations of a physical attack) altered by anothers irresponsibility. But even true victims can make a conscious choice not to wallow in their misfortune. These are the folks to admire, for it is they who triumph in the midst of true adversity.

But for the multitudes of others who claim victimhood status over trivial things, we need to turn them around.

BTW- I have native American blood mingling with my own Irish, English, and Dutch. So I can relate to your quandry there. I suppose we’ll both have to settle for paying ourselves reparations with one hand while signing the apology note with the other.

(Subliminal message here- Victimhood too often is a STATE OF MIND!)]

Good to hear from you again.

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By: SheaNC https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-480 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:52:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-480 Boy, I spend a little time away, and there’s so much content when I get back that It’ll take me all night to read it all! Oh well, I’ll add my 2 cents and hope I’m not just repeating what someone else has already said. Sorry if I’m being redundant – that’s what happens when you come in late :)

Nothing make one feel less like a victim than seeing those who are less fortunate. I know someone who is permanently disabled because an uninsured motorist ran a red light and smashed into her. She actually is a lifelong victim – the symptoms of her disability will remind her of that forever. On the other hand, she is well aware that it could have been much worse. No head or spinal chord injuries, for example.

I’ve worked with developmentally disabled folks whose conditions were non-organic, like a girl who was horribly messed up, mentally and physically, after her brothers gave her something poisonous in a coke bottle when she was little.

So, things can change depending on one’s perspective.

Also, there’s the old self-fulfilling prophecy aspect. The victimization mindset can actualize the condition. Labeling theory, I guess, turned inward.

By the way – my ancestry is Irish, but they got there riding in with William the Conqueror from Normandy. Do I seek reparations from the Vikings, or pay reparations to the Celts? I’m so confused.

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By: OTTMANN https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-479 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:51:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-479 Hi Ken,
The more I read this post, the better I liked it. I share many of the same thoughts about victimhood.

There are too many people who feel that government is their nanny and that they “deserve” to get whatever they can from it, for free.

Victimhood comes in many forms, such as “tax cuts are for the rich” or “All Corporations are evil” etc., et al.

I agree that people have to take responsibility for their actions and lives in general, and stop blaming others for whatever problems they may have.

Perseverance is the key to success, not whining!

Those who get stuck in victimhood get trapped into a life of deception where they feel nothing is fair and the odds are stacked against them. They can usually scrape by, but never really get anywhere in life because they’re too busy blaming everyone and everything, thereby setting up their own road blocks and missing opportunities.

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By: Chandira https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-478 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:50:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-478 Yes, yes, yes. This is pretty damn fundamental stuff to leave behind when you think about it. Nice to see somebody writing good things this morning. Thanks Ken.

I’ve seen this so strongly in myself, to lay blame at other people’s feet, regardless of what the thing was that ‘happened to me’.
‘Shit happens’, it’s all in how we respond, and in our not choosing to think that ‘it happened to me’. There’s a huge difference. We have to transcend that victim consciousness.

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By: Gun-Toting Liberal https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-477 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:05:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-477 Another great post, Ken. I cannot think of another thing I’d add to it, so I’ll just move on with an electronic “high five” to ya :-)

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By: JollyRoger https://commonsenseworld.com/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-476 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/06/17/are-you-really-a-victim/#comment-476 I believe you need look no further than the White House to see where the “victim” culture is fed from. El Shrubbo has never made even 1 mistake-everything bad that has happened is either Clinton’s fault, or the fault of his advisers.

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