Comments on: Expecting More From Politicians https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/ Thoughts on Politics and Life Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:22:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.32 By: BeachBum https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-842 Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:53:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-842 ignorance is bliss for 99% of america

— Jen
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By: JollyRoger https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-841 Sun, 09 Oct 2005 03:53:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-841 There must be a leveling of the playing field.

This can only be done by restricting access to the mass media. I am a believer in the publicly funded campaign-and a bar on money from outside sources. All such money.

This does nothing to infringe on anyone’s freedom of speech, and provides more opportunity for the underfunded to be heard and seen.

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By: Ken Grandlund https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-840 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 07:08:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-840 (responses)

Eko- To a degree, more equality is necessary, both socially and economically. But just as all people do not strive for or desire the same lifestyle, so too is it not necessary for complete economic equality for a democracy to be more perfect. All that is required is the ability to dispel the notions of greed and selfishness as prime forces for all of ones actions. Well, that, and some measure of active involvement.
Thanks for the comment.

Gar- The odds are not so far out, IF people really want to make a change. Just look at the 40% of eligible voters who have been opting out. With political victories being given away by just 30-35% of registered voters (a 52% majority of 60% of eligible voters)
then that remaining 40% would be a majority after all.

And yes, counting the vote correctly must be addressed too. Don’t give up friend…there is always a chance for reform and hope! Thanks for dropping by.

Rudicus- I’m not sure using the business model is a good idea in government, and here’s why: FIrst, look at the “business leaders” we’ve got in charge now. Sure they are FAILED business leaders, but they all come from the same schools pretty much, don’t they?

Second, some weakening of the grasp of government is necessary too, either through streamlining overlapping or ineffective bureaucracies or eliminating needless legislation.

Third, businesses are run as for profit entities. Government should not be. Even so called “non-profits” are getting the people at the top of the food chain a good living, much better in many cases than those they are designed to help. Profit and government sre not synonymous terms.

I like the idea of dividing up the tasks of executive government, but then any rational leader would do this with his/her cabinet instead of packing it with cronies. Senators and representatives are still important, but they need to start representing all people of the country, bringing to the table things their region can offer to better all lives, instead of trying to take more than they really need. And the passage of national laws does need the various opinions and concerns of all geographic areas.

Yes, it may well take a revolution of sorts. That, or an end of apathy and an era of active engagement. Perhaps that time is coming sooner than we think. Always good to hear from you my friend.

Cranky- Nice to have your thoughts on this. Tick, tock. The alarm is ringing and this time, I’m not hitting the snooze button.

Anonymous- Voyeurism may not be the most healthy way to bring about reform, and in the example you provide, I’m not sure who would be referred to as the leader- the blowee or the blower?
Either way, leadership isn’t really about sexual relations, so grow up a bit and get involved in a more effective way.

P.S.- Stay away from strangers’ windows, for your own sake and for theirs.

Francis- Lighten up. If you are referring to taxes as that “stolen good” then you forget that our representative government derives it’s power from us. We give it the authority to tax, whether we like it or not. And though you bemoan them, I’d bet you’d not be too happy with a government that had no ability to protect you or your business or your bank account.
Thanks for the quote though.

ariK- Feel free to link. Unless you have plans on putting me up on a pay-for-porn site. Then I’ll need some royalties or something.

And that snowflake in Hell thing- I choose Hell, MI, a very snowy place as my reference point, so I guess the possibility isn’t so far fetched after all.

See you around, I hope.

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By: ariadneK, Ph.D. https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-839 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 06:20:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-839 The concept of true democracy = beautiful.

The possibility that it will ever be realized = a snowflake’s chance in hell.

(BTW, a most awesome blog, I don’t comment much but have enjoyed it for awhile; would you mind if I linked? My blog is a little weird, so I do not want to offend should you rather not be associated).

Best,
ariK

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By: Francis W. Porretto https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-838 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:48:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-838 Election: “An advance auction of stolen goods.” (H. L. Mencken)

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By: Anonymous https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-837 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:57:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-837 I’d like to see more BJ’s in the Whitehouse. Now that’s leadership we can all respect. Who doesn’t like a good BJ?

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By: Cranky Liberal https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-836 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:35:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-836 Funny, I’m about the least pie in the sky guy out there, but I think Ken is onto something. It doesn’t take armed revolution – but citizens armed with knowledge and a desire to hold the people that work for them accountable.

The country is on a razor edge divide, so it doesn’t take a lot to upset the status quo. The fact that stangers, all over the country are having this conversation on Ken’s site is a testament to the fact that the idea is spreading.

What we need is to understand that MSM isn’t going to tell the truth, just the lurid stories that surround the events. We need to circumvent the traditional establishment, work to fnd new ideas and approaches, and put people in power who advocate them. Is it easy? No – but America has bounced back from tyranical times before when the population decided to wake up. We just need to be the alarm clock.

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By: Rudicus https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-835 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:30:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-835 I agree also, but if you look at the history of governments, ever since we moved away from the tribal model, there hasn’t been a sustainable form of government that didn’t ultimately become corrupt.

No matter how good the government looked on paper, nothing has been able to stand up to the corruption of power and money. Even the most altruistic of revolutions ultimately became little more than a passing of the torch of who controlled the oney and power.

The only way the system will change is through revolt and it would have to be significant enough to oust the democratic government, because the leaders are far too entrenched to be affected by any real reform – especially when those reforms run counter to the desires and aspirations of the officials charged with implementing them.

The only options I see are either to weaken government to the point that it is simply an administrative function, but truthfully, I think the only true government that would work is one that has trnascended all other governments and also openly addresses power and money and that is to run the government and athe country like a business. No one is elected – people would be “hired” on the basis of their skills and wouls serve at the whim of the company – of which we as citizens would all be stock holders. The board and executives would be chosen based on merit and could be removed at any time of they were underperforming. There would be no administration to worry about and no made-up time period. if someone was effective they could be CEO for 20 years, if they were terrible, they could be out in 2.

This way you could have a CEO who was strong on foreign policy and international relations and have a COO who was solid with domestic policy and a CFO that was a powerhouse economist/accountant. There would be no senators or representatives, but ther would be VP’s and other managers. It could then eliminate statehood and use the entire nations resources to operate efficiently.

Decisions would be made by people who knew what they were doing and wouldn’t have anyone to pander to unless it advanced the company.

It could work, but again, it would take a revolution.

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By: gar https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-834 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:35:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-834 I agree with your reasoning. The problem is, what can actually be done about it from where we’re at now. It’s all well and good to say what needs to be done. What is not so easy is to get the power to change things. Yes, I want to be represented by someone more like myself instead of a multi-millionaire but what are the odds of that happening today? Yes, I want laws to actually be read before they are voted on but how are we going to get a law passed to force the law-makers to do anything? And on it goes.

In the times in which we live now, I would feel fortunate if I just thought my vote for a candidate was actually counted correctly. I don’t feel that way. I think if we were to manage to do one thing, it should be to ensure that every vote is counted – correctly.

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By: Eko Prasetyo https://commonsenseworld.com/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-833 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:02:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2005/10/05/expecting-more-from-politicians/#comment-833 it’s all about the money and the disparities of people’s wellfare.
we can only hape to have real democracy if people are on the same level of wellfare..if not, well, dynasties will rule.

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