Comments on: Culture of Life- Frozen Embryos and Stem Cell Research http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/ Bringing Sanity Back To The World Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:46:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Kathryn Beach http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1201 Kathryn Beach Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:57:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1201 What bonj said about pro-life: "Anti-choice, anti-privacy, and anti-female is really at the heart of that subject anyhow" is so true.<br/><br/>So no wonder that Bush administration views on pro-life, dead Iraqi children = "collateral damage", and the excessive use of the death penalty in Texas, just can't be organized into a coherent sentence... What bonj said about pro-life: “Anti-choice, anti-privacy, and anti-female is really at the heart of that subject anyhow” is so true.

So no wonder that Bush administration views on pro-life, dead Iraqi children = “collateral damage”, and the excessive use of the death penalty in Texas, just can’t be organized into a coherent sentence…

]]> By: Ken Grandlund http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1200 Ken Grandlund Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:51:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1200 (responses)<br/><br/>Colonel- I am so happy you love to dance. When your head stops spinning, feel free to leave an intelligent comment.<br/><br/>Josh- Obviously, this president is neither reasonable or rational. And I'm with you- indulgence of unreasonable positions is becoming hazardous to the health of our nation, to say the least. Of course, what is reasonable to me or you may not seem so to another, but some positions just seem so overwhelmingly clear...like this one dealing with frozen embryonic tissue. Not life...just tissue.<br/>Thanks for the comments. (responses)

Colonel- I am so happy you love to dance. When your head stops spinning, feel free to leave an intelligent comment.

Josh- Obviously, this president is neither reasonable or rational. And I’m with you- indulgence of unreasonable positions is becoming hazardous to the health of our nation, to say the least. Of course, what is reasonable to me or you may not seem so to another, but some positions just seem so overwhelmingly clear…like this one dealing with frozen embryonic tissue. Not life…just tissue.
Thanks for the comments.

]]> By: --josh-- http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1199 --josh-- Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1199 Oh, one more thing: in the State of the Union address, when Bush bemoaned the fact that American children were falling behind other industrialized nations in math and science? <br/><br/>Seems to me that a first stpe in catching up with our global economic competitors in knowledge work, would be for us to elect a president who actually (thank you for at least this, John Kerry) BELIEVES in science.<br/><br/>"Intelligent design? That's a good theory too!" Oh, one more thing: in the State of the Union address, when Bush bemoaned the fact that American children were falling behind other industrialized nations in math and science?

Seems to me that a first stpe in catching up with our global economic competitors in knowledge work, would be for us to elect a president who actually (thank you for at least this, John Kerry) BELIEVES in science.

“Intelligent design? That’s a good theory too!”

]]> By: --josh-- http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1198 --josh-- Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:57:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1198 When you put politics aside and ask a reasonable-minded conservative when they think life begins, I've found that the visceral, common sense answer seems to be, "When there's a heartbeat." Not that there is or isn't any logic to this position, but having been in a doctor's office and having heard the tiny little heartbeat of a tiny little fetus in my wife, I can understand where they're coming from; that sound made the abstract concept of the baby become more concrete.<br/><br/>The point I'm getting at here is, even reasonable conservatives-- well-intentioned, anti-choice conservatives-- seem to concede that an embryo is not a person. Seem to believe it viscerally. And for the life of me, I can't understand why we as a people seem to feel the need to indulge UN-reasonable conservatives. When you put politics aside and ask a reasonable-minded conservative when they think life begins, I’ve found that the visceral, common sense answer seems to be, “When there’s a heartbeat.” Not that there is or isn’t any logic to this position, but having been in a doctor’s office and having heard the tiny little heartbeat of a tiny little fetus in my wife, I can understand where they’re coming from; that sound made the abstract concept of the baby become more concrete.

The point I’m getting at here is, even reasonable conservatives– well-intentioned, anti-choice conservatives– seem to concede that an embryo is not a person. Seem to believe it viscerally. And for the life of me, I can’t understand why we as a people seem to feel the need to indulge UN-reasonable conservatives.

]]> By: colonel peterwnag http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1197 colonel peterwnag Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:24:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1197 I'm a maniac, maniac. Dancing like I've never danced before. Dumbo! I’m a maniac, maniac. Dancing like I’ve never danced before. Dumbo!

]]> By: Ken Grandlund http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1196 Ken Grandlund Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:39:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1196 (responses)<br/><br/>Bob- Thanks again, as always. <br/><br/>Snave- Yes, pro-life does need to include those of us actually living in the here and now, not just to those who may be born or who are in the "last throes of life."<br/><br/>I think that your estimation of BUsh's rhetoric is dead on too. Just more empty rhetoric to whip up his shrinking base. Thanks for your thoughts.<br/><br/>Monika- (rolling my eyes, shaking my head...) If, when I was in the embryonic stage, nature herself decided to abort me I wouldn't be here either. Do you also plan to rail against that? Besides, we are not talking about embryos that are on the way to life. We are discussing perpetually frozen and/or about to be discarded embryos that will never reach the point of possible life. Stick to the topic if you want to be taken seriously.<br/><br/>Bob- That's right man. Monika is clearly not capable of grasping the fundamental difference between man made embryos in a science lab and the mixing of sperm and egg in utero. That must be frustrating for her.<br/><br/>Eko- Thanks for weighing in. Does this mean that for Islam, embryo's created in a lab for artificial insemination are not considered life or sentient and therefore are completely viable for use in stem cell research?<br/><br/>Jeremy- Even 60 Minutes has some thought provoking, well researched stories. And yeah, that guy had me wondering how he got to be in the position he is in. Then I remembered...he was appointed by Bush the Inept. (responses)

Bob- Thanks again, as always.

Snave- Yes, pro-life does need to include those of us actually living in the here and now, not just to those who may be born or who are in the “last throes of life.”

I think that your estimation of BUsh’s rhetoric is dead on too. Just more empty rhetoric to whip up his shrinking base. Thanks for your thoughts.

Monika- (rolling my eyes, shaking my head…) If, when I was in the embryonic stage, nature herself decided to abort me I wouldn’t be here either. Do you also plan to rail against that? Besides, we are not talking about embryos that are on the way to life. We are discussing perpetually frozen and/or about to be discarded embryos that will never reach the point of possible life. Stick to the topic if you want to be taken seriously.

Bob- That’s right man. Monika is clearly not capable of grasping the fundamental difference between man made embryos in a science lab and the mixing of sperm and egg in utero. That must be frustrating for her.

Eko- Thanks for weighing in. Does this mean that for Islam, embryo’s created in a lab for artificial insemination are not considered life or sentient and therefore are completely viable for use in stem cell research?

Jeremy- Even 60 Minutes has some thought provoking, well researched stories. And yeah, that guy had me wondering how he got to be in the position he is in. Then I remembered…he was appointed by Bush the Inept.

]]> By: Jeremy http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1195 Jeremy Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:10:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1195 Monika, your reasoning here is ridiculous. The entire 60 minutes piece was about what to do with LEFTOVER embryos that are totally useless. Those which will not be adopted, implanted in an uterus, or used for anything. They will be thrown away like the soft boiled egg you overcooked last weekend. Monika, your reasoning here is ridiculous. The entire 60 minutes piece was about what to do with LEFTOVER embryos that are totally useless. Those which will not be adopted, implanted in an uterus, or used for anything. They will be thrown away like the soft boiled egg you overcooked last weekend.

]]> By: Jeremy http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1194 Jeremy Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:07:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1194 I really can't believe that this story hasn't gotten more attention in the liberal blogosphere. All conservatives will dismiss this as not important because the piece was done by 60 minutes. <br/><br/>I almost thought the representative from the Bush administration's ethics committee was joking when he said that we should have little funerals or cremations for embryos when they're discarded. I really can’t believe that this story hasn’t gotten more attention in the liberal blogosphere. All conservatives will dismiss this as not important because the piece was done by 60 minutes.

I almost thought the representative from the Bush administration’s ethics committee was joking when he said that we should have little funerals or cremations for embryos when they’re discarded.

]]> By: Eko Prasetyo http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1193 Eko Prasetyo Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:05:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1193 Islam recognizes that human's soul is embedded into its organic vessel after 3 months of development Islam recognizes that human’s soul is embedded into its organic vessel after 3 months of development

]]> By: Bob P http://commonsenseworld.com/2006/02/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1192 Bob P Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:03:00 +0000 http://annafiltest.wordpress.com/2006/02/17/culture-of-life-frozen-embryos-and-stem-cell-research/#comment-1192 No, monika, it's really <i>not</i> that logical. When I (and, dare I say, <i>each</i> of us) was in the embryonic stage, I was not in a petri dish, or a storage freezer, waiting to be discarded after years of non-use. Your comment is a ridiculous bit of misdirection, designed simply to inflame emotional response, and is the same type of disingenuous drivel that's clouding this issue on a national scale. No, monika, it’s really not that logical. When I (and, dare I say, each of us) was in the embryonic stage, I was not in a petri dish, or a storage freezer, waiting to be discarded after years of non-use. Your comment is a ridiculous bit of misdirection, designed simply to inflame emotional response, and is the same type of disingenuous drivel that’s clouding this issue on a national scale.

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